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VTK Discourse forum is now available

VTK - Users mailing list
Hello VTK community,

Following up on our previous discussion about transitioning the VTK
mailing lists to Discourse [1], we now have a Discourse forum ready to
use to discuss all things VTK. You can find it at

https://discourse.vtk.org/

You can sign up for the web site using your Google or GitHub accounts
if you prefer, otherwise you can register with a user name and
password.

Please try it out and leave any feedback you might have under the
"Site Feedback" category (https://discourse.vtk.org/c/site-feedback)
on the site.

To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:

https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/

While we expect the bulk of VTK-related discussion to transition to
Discourse fairly rapidly in the near term, the current
[hidden email] and [hidden email] mailing lists will remain
active until at least the middle of 2019, and the archives from these
lists will remain available after that.

See you on discourse.vtk.org!

Thanks,
Cory

[1] https://markmail.org/thread/2dricthoo3ugw7jv

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Re: VTK Discourse forum is now available

zmantorn
Will all of the "threads" from the current vtkusers mailing list be imported
into the Discourse forum or is it going to start from scratch with new
threads?



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Re: VTK Discourse forum is now available

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We will not import either existing threads or users who have signed up
for the mailing lists.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:45 PM zmantorn <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Will all of the "threads" from the current vtkusers mailing list be imported
> into the Discourse forum or is it going to start from scratch with new
> threads?
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Re: VTK Discourse forum is now available

zmantorn
Should we post new topics on both the mailing list and the forum to get
maximum views? I am unsure if I should just post a new question on the forum
and trust that it will get the views I need. It could get messy with some
reply's coming on the mailing list and some on the forum if I post to both.
Just looking for a little guidance for when my next VTK question comes up.


VTK - Users mailing list wrote
> We will not import either existing threads or users who have signed up
> for the mailing lists.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:45 PM zmantorn &lt;

> zmanvortex@

> &gt; wrote:
>>
>> Will all of the "threads" from the current vtkusers mailing list be
>> imported
>> into the Discourse forum or is it going to start from scratch with new
>> threads?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: VTK Discourse forum is now available

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New topics should be started on Discourse. I do not recommend posting to both.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:34 PM zmantorn <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Should we post new topics on both the mailing list and the forum to get
> maximum views? I am unsure if I should just post a new question on the forum
> and trust that it will get the views I need. It could get messy with some
> reply's coming on the mailing list and some on the forum if I post to both.
> Just looking for a little guidance for when my next VTK question comes up.
>
>
> VTK - Users mailing list wrote
> > We will not import either existing threads or users who have signed up
> > for the mailing lists.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:45 PM zmantorn &lt;
>
> > zmanvortex@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> Will all of the "threads" from the current vtkusers mailing list be
> >> imported
> >> into the Discourse forum or is it going to start from scratch with new
> >> threads?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/VTK_FAQ
> >>
> >> Search the list archives at: http://markmail.org/search/?q=vtkusers
> >>
> >> Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe:
> >> https://vtk.org/mailman/listinfo/vtkusers
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [vtk-developers] VTK Discourse forum is now available

Andras Lasso
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It should be feasible to create topics by email, but please use the web interface as much as possible. Maybe it takes 5-10s for you to open a web browser, but think about the precious seconds that you save for hundreds of readers by making your post better formatted, easier to read, posted in the right category with the right keywords. The web interface also gives live preview, checks for similar posts, allows you to @mention other users, etc.

Andras

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From: vtk-developers <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of David Thompson via vtk-developers
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:02 PM
To: Sean McBride <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [vtk-developers] VTK Discourse forum is now available

On 2/5/19 12:48 PM, Sean McBride wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 10:22:40 -0500, Cory Quammen via vtk-developers said:
>
>> To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisc
>> ourse.vtk.org%2Ft%2Fusing-discourse-as-a-mailing-list%2F&amp;data=02%
>> 7C01%7Classo%40queensu.ca%7C0b11329a3f6340b12abb08d68b93ec80%7Cd61ecb
>> 3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C636849864782080933&amp;sdata=zC0
>> 0%2FrUGDTCqp%2Bw8gKWhgWCEK7hQ6Dvf7WnSWAuu%2Fs0%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> And after doing so, where does one email to start a new thread?  I poked around the web UI but did not find my answer in the FAQ or elsewhere.

This is an answer from Slicer's discourse forum:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.slicer.org%2Ft%2Fwhat-is-the-slicer-discourse-e-mail-address%2F1329&amp;data=02%7C01%7Classo%40queensu.ca%7C0b11329a3f6340b12abb08d68b93ec80%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C636849864782080933&amp;sdata=ONkatAQBE4x6XNqaYUXu7aBroqQw23My%2FVJVAr0BcaY%3D&amp;reserved=0

but I have not tried it and would guess the domain name should be vtk.org rather than discoursemail.com (assuming everything is configured to allow it).

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Re: [vtk-developers] VTK Discourse forum is now available

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Sean,

There is an email address to start a new topic in each category:


I just set this up, so let me know if you see any problems.

Cory

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:48 PM Sean McBride <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 10:22:40 -0500, Cory Quammen via vtk-developers said:

>To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:
>
>https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/

And after doing so, where does one email to start a new thread?  I poked around the web UI but did not find my answer in the FAQ or elsewhere.

Cheers,

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Re: [vtk-developers] VTK Discourse forum is now available

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On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:37 PM Brad King <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 2/5/19 1:32 PM, Cory Quammen via vtkusers wrote:
> There is an email address to start a new topic in each category:
> I just set this up, so let me know if you see any problems.

Thanks.  Please list those in the bottom of

  https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/

as we do for ParaView.
 
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Re: [vtk-developers] VTK Discourse forum is now available

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So I have a couple of emails to vtk-developers. I guess they are not
visible to anyone?

I prefer email. I never use discourse.

Bill

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:01 AM David Thompson via vtk-developers
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 2/5/19 12:48 PM, Sean McBride wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 10:22:40 -0500, Cory Quammen via vtk-developers said:
> >
> >> To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:
> >>
> >> https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/
> >
> > And after doing so, where does one email to start a new thread?  I poked around the web UI but did not find my answer in the FAQ or elsewhere.
>
> This is an answer from Slicer's discourse forum:
>
> https://discourse.slicer.org/t/what-is-the-slicer-discourse-e-mail-address/1329
>
> but I have not tried it and would guess the domain name should be
> vtk.org rather than discoursemail.com (assuming everything is configured
> to allow it).
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Re: [vtk-developers] VTK Discourse forum is now available

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On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:12:23 -0800, Bill Lorensen said:

>I have email setup but if I start a topic using the mailing list, it does
>not show up in discourse.

Bill,

When they say 'discourse can be used in mailing list mode', they don't mean that the exist mailing lists interconnect with discourse.  They are 2 separate and unrelated things.

They are saying to stop using <[hidden email]> and <[hidden email]> and instead use:

[hidden email]
[hidden email]
[hidden email]
[hidden email]
[hidden email]
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Re: [vtk-developers] Fwd: VTK Discourse forum is now available

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Bill brings up many good points. In particular references to the old mailing lists and such. I am a big fan of making information available through multiple access vectors so it can be found and accessed through different means. 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 6:54 PM Bill Lorensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm not sure retiring id a good idea.

 For example stack overflow mirrors the lists.

The lists are mentioned in many web pages.

Also, I use LastPass for password manager and its a PIA to login just to give a dimple answer. Especially on my phone.

What is the harm in keeping the lists?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:13 PM Cory Quammen via vtk-developers <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks,

Just a reminder that the mailing lists [hidden email] and [hidden email] will be retired at some point this year. Please post new questions and topics on https://discourse.vtk.org

Details are available in the forwarded message below.

Thank you,
Cory

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Cory Quammen <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:22 AM
Subject: VTK Discourse forum is now available
To: vtkusers <[hidden email]>, VTK Developers <[hidden email]>


Hello VTK community,

Following up on our previous discussion about transitioning the VTK
mailing lists to Discourse [1], we now have a Discourse forum ready to
use to discuss all things VTK. You can find it at

https://discourse.vtk.org/

You can sign up for the web site using your Google or GitHub accounts
if you prefer, otherwise you can register with a user name and
password.

Please try it out and leave any feedback you might have under the
"Site Feedback" category (https://discourse.vtk.org/c/site-feedback)
on the site.

To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:

https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/

While we expect the bulk of VTK-related discussion to transition to
Discourse fairly rapidly in the near term, the current
[hidden email] and [hidden email] mailing lists will remain
active until at least the middle of 2019, and the archives from these
lists will remain available after that.

See you on discourse.vtk.org!

Thanks,
Cory

[1] https://markmail.org/thread/2dricthoo3ugw7jv

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Re: [vtk-developers] Fwd: VTK Discourse forum is now available

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The harm of keeping the list open is in splitting the attention of the community.

Note that when we close the mailing list, we really mean "turn off the ability to post anything new to it". I think with some sort of response that directs people who try to discourse. The archives will still be available forever.

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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:09 AM Will Schroeder via vtkusers <[hidden email]> wrote:
Bill brings up many good points. In particular references to the old mailing lists and such. I am a big fan of making information available through multiple access vectors so it can be found and accessed through different means. 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 6:54 PM Bill Lorensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm not sure retiring id a good idea.

 For example stack overflow mirrors the lists.

The lists are mentioned in many web pages.

Also, I use LastPass for password manager and its a PIA to login just to give a dimple answer. Especially on my phone.

What is the harm in keeping the lists?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:13 PM Cory Quammen via vtk-developers <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks,

Just a reminder that the mailing lists [hidden email] and [hidden email] will be retired at some point this year. Please post new questions and topics on https://discourse.vtk.org

Details are available in the forwarded message below.

Thank you,
Cory

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Cory Quammen <[hidden email]>
Date: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:22 AM
Subject: VTK Discourse forum is now available
To: vtkusers <[hidden email]>, VTK Developers <[hidden email]>


Hello VTK community,

Following up on our previous discussion about transitioning the VTK
mailing lists to Discourse [1], we now have a Discourse forum ready to
use to discuss all things VTK. You can find it at

https://discourse.vtk.org/

You can sign up for the web site using your Google or GitHub accounts
if you prefer, otherwise you can register with a user name and
password.

Please try it out and leave any feedback you might have under the
"Site Feedback" category (https://discourse.vtk.org/c/site-feedback)
on the site.

To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:

https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/

While we expect the bulk of VTK-related discussion to transition to
Discourse fairly rapidly in the near term, the current
[hidden email] and [hidden email] mailing lists will remain
active until at least the middle of 2019, and the archives from these
lists will remain available after that.

See you on discourse.vtk.org!

Thanks,
Cory

[1] https://markmail.org/thread/2dricthoo3ugw7jv

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Re: [vtk-developers] Fwd: VTK Discourse forum is now available

Elvis Stansvik
Den fre 1 mars 2019 kl 15:40 skrev David E DeMarle via vtkusers
<[hidden email]>:
>
> The harm of keeping the list open is in splitting the attention of the community.
>
> Note that when we close the mailing list, we really mean "turn off the ability to post anything new to it". I think with some sort of response that directs people who try to discourse. The archives will still be available forever.

+1

(In Qt they recently had a debacle where they accidentally
regenererated their ML archives, creating broken links all over the
place (forums, commit messages, bug reports et.c.) and had to back out
and restore it.)

Elvis

>
> David E DeMarle
> Kitware, Inc.
> Principal Engineer
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:09 AM Will Schroeder via vtkusers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Bill brings up many good points. In particular references to the old mailing lists and such. I am a big fan of making information available through multiple access vectors so it can be found and accessed through different means.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 6:54 PM Bill Lorensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure retiring id a good idea.
>>>
>>>  For example stack overflow mirrors the lists.
>>>
>>> The lists are mentioned in many web pages.
>>>
>>> Also, I use LastPass for password manager and its a PIA to login just to give a dimple answer. Especially on my phone.
>>>
>>> What is the harm in keeping the lists?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:13 PM Cory Quammen via vtk-developers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> Just a reminder that the mailing lists [hidden email] and [hidden email] will be retired at some point this year. Please post new questions and topics on https://discourse.vtk.org
>>>>
>>>> Details are available in the forwarded message below.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Cory
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Cory Quammen <[hidden email]>
>>>> Date: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:22 AM
>>>> Subject: VTK Discourse forum is now available
>>>> To: vtkusers <[hidden email]>, VTK Developers <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello VTK community,
>>>>
>>>> Following up on our previous discussion about transitioning the VTK
>>>> mailing lists to Discourse [1], we now have a Discourse forum ready to
>>>> use to discuss all things VTK. You can find it at
>>>>
>>>> https://discourse.vtk.org/
>>>>
>>>> You can sign up for the web site using your Google or GitHub accounts
>>>> if you prefer, otherwise you can register with a user name and
>>>> password.
>>>>
>>>> Please try it out and leave any feedback you might have under the
>>>> "Site Feedback" category (https://discourse.vtk.org/c/site-feedback)
>>>> on the site.
>>>>
>>>> To set up Discourse in mailing list mode, please see:
>>>>
>>>> https://discourse.vtk.org/t/using-discourse-as-a-mailing-list/
>>>>
>>>> While we expect the bulk of VTK-related discussion to transition to
>>>> Discourse fairly rapidly in the near term, the current
>>>> [hidden email] and [hidden email] mailing lists will remain
>>>> active until at least the middle of 2019, and the archives from these
>>>> lists will remain available after that.
>>>>
>>>> See you on discourse.vtk.org!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Cory
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://markmail.org/thread/2dricthoo3ugw7jv
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cory Quammen
>>>> Staff R&D Engineer
>>>> Kitware, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Staff R&D Engineer
>>>> Kitware, Inc.
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>> 28 Corporate Drive
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